Does Alcor "Gott" much of a future?
While cryonicists have acknowledged in principle that our organizations might have to keep patients (namely, ourselves) in cryosuspension for centuries, in practice they have tended to run cryonics societies in ways that don't inspire much confidence in their long-term survival
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advancedatheist    3 votes   Sunday, June 01, 2008 at 7:52 AM
I wrote that blog post. For the past 17 years I have worked for David Pizer, the long-time cryonicist and successful entrepeneur profiled in the Wall Street Journal article in 2006 about cryonic revival trusts:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113780314900652582-3NZCCoZBW7UHDmouEOrkzkalkfY_20060129.html

Pizer also served as Alcor's treasurer and as a board member in the 1990's. Because of my long-time friendship and association with Mr. Pizer, occasionally I hear inside information about Alcor's problems, some of which also happens to make the news and become part of the public record.

Regarding Alcor's conferences: Considering that I live about 75 minutes from Scottsdale, I could have attended Alcor's last two conferences. But I didn't see the point of spending money to hear recycled nonsense about Drexlerian nanotechnology I could have heard 15 years ago. It increasingly looks like Drexler's vision (could we call it "pseudo-technology"?) has led cryonics into a blind alley, an alley cryonics organizations need to back out of and onto a path that might actually lead to where we want to go.
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jeriaska    1 votes   Sunday, June 01, 2008 at 11:02 AM
The prospects of reviving cryonics patients, as well as the creation of advanced AI, are predicated on the viability of molecular manufacturing. If you believe Drexlerian nanotech is pseudo science, why call yourself a transhumanist?
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jeriaska    1 votes   Saturday, May 31, 2008 at 8:59 PM
I would have preferred some links to information online that might validate claims about "expensive literature, mostly useless conferences, wasted marketing campaigns, ill-advised lawsuits, excessive salaries, bad business decisions, high turnovers in CEO's and troublesome employees, etc."

In my own experience, I've been to two of the Alcor conferences, and they were outstanding. I notice that free copies of Cryonics magazine are available, and the Alcor website is very informative.
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megapolisomancy    1 votes   Saturday, May 31, 2008 at 9:18 PM
"In my own experience, I've been to two of the Alcor conferences, and they were outstanding."

Charles Platt on the Alcor Conference, Cryonics, and Related Topics:

http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001330.php

Alcor's Self Pepetuating Board: Reviewing the Arguments

http://www.reformalcor.org/articles/merkle_response.html
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jeriaska    1 votes   Saturday, May 31, 2008 at 11:26 PM
If I understand correctly, the summary by Charles Platt largely appears to reflect positive feelings about the 7th conference. I'm not seeing what the link to Reform Alcor has to do with contentions about the quality of the conferences.
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megapolisomancy    1 votes   Sunday, June 01, 2008 at 12:43 AM
It's the specific details of Platt's review that are interesting.

You asked for "some links to information online that might validate claims about "expensive literature, mostly useless conferences, wasted marketing campaigns, ill-advised lawsuits, excessive salaries, bad business decisions, high turnovers in CEO's and troublesome employees, etc."

This kind of information is posted daily on Cold Filter:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/

The common denominator in these issues is Alcor's self perpetuating board (see link above).

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